Wednesday, August 6, 2008

Am I dominant?

The female submissive’s path to accepting her nature may be a challenge, but at least it is manageable. What I mean is that even if she is completely unaware of her nature, there are many signals which make it easy to decipher both her nature, and its intensity. And so while her development may not be easy, at least it is possible. The female submissive displays her nature in a wide variety of rather obvious ways. In particular, the intense mental state known as “sub-fever.” A state of heightened arousal which can not be quenched solely through sexual interactions. The interesting thing about sub-fever is that it is undeniable. Even for the un-awakened submissive, once she is provoked, she knows it, even if she does not understand it.

Many females have written to me about their first experience with sub-fever, how they did not understand it, and were even fearful of it at times. But they could not ignore it. Sub-fever is not just being horny. If it did, a quick bit of the old in-out would be enough to satisfy the craving, but the fact is that sex is not enough.

So, there are more than a few indicators that allow a submissive to be identified, both to herself and to others. But what of the dominant? How does a man know if his nature is dominant? How can he discover it? How does anyone recognize it? Perhaps most importantly, how does a dominant develop his nature? Unlike submissives, who seem to generally respond well to training, most dominants have little desire to be trained, and certainly not by another dominant. It is a status thing, eh?

This problem seems to break down into two distinct topic areas: 1) Identifying someone’s dominant traits and 2) developing those traits. Of the two, I think the first is rather more of a challenge.

Before I continue I should state my personal opinion which is that the majority of males are dominant in nature, although some are more strongly (intensely) dominant than others. This is natural since the male is genetically coded to be dominant (at least imo), but some males (such as the alpha male) will obviously be more assertive in expressing his dominance.

Why then does it seem so difficult for so many submissive females to find a dominant partner? Simply put, most men find it difficult to express their natural dominance. They have been socially conditioned to believe that it is wrong and immoral to do so. There have been decades, generations, of active campaigning by the legions of Political Correctness to promote the view that men and women are interchangeable with respect to their sexuality, and interaction models. And so the males have suppressed their natural tendencies and instead sublimated it into other areas such as sports, hobbies, and mal-adaptive behaviours.

What signs are there that a fellow might be dominant? A desire to control his environment? Strongly held opinions? An ability (or desire) to assert himself to get his way? A degree of comfort in holding the reins of control? A desire to lead rather than follow? All of these are legitimate but I think that what makes the dominant stand out is how control yields a rich sense of satisfaction. It is obvious that some may be motivated to control because of fear. Fear that if they lose control the consequences will be negative. Therefore they try to control everything (also known as micro-management).

But the dominant does not fear loss of control, this is not why he seeks control. Rather, he finds within control an outlet for his nature. Simply put, it feels good. He does not need to control every little detail of a situation, it is enough to know that he can should he choose to do so.

Here I think is the basis of understanding the fundamental difference between those who abuse and those who dominate. The abuser uses control as a weapon against those he abuses. The dominant uses control as a tool to enhance and develop the environment around him. The abuser fears loss of control, the dominant does not fear it at all.

Segue: Curiously, it has been my discovery that many deeply submissive females are often labelled as “control freaks” before they are awakened to their nature. Upon reflection this is easy to understand and explain. The un-awakened submissive female uses control as a way of creating a barrier between herself and her nature. By controlling those around her, she never has to deal with her own loss of control, which is the inevitable consequence of admitting to her nature. Many (if not most) women are terrified of the loss of control which comes when they give themselves over to a dominant. They speak of an abyss, a precipice, a vast crevice of blackness. I understand. They have had to control everyone around them as a way of making sure no one controls them. What they long for in the secret heart, they have been made to fear by their social conditioning. How strange and sad.

But back to the dominant – how can a man know his nature? Perhaps the easiest way is to have an experienced submissive serve him and see how he behaves. I have seen this often enough. Some men will have no idea about what to do when a beautiful woman kneels at their feet and offers her service to them. Their reaction is often to raise the girl up and try and talk to her about “why it is demeaning and wrong for her to kneel in front of a man.” Such men are probably not dominant in nature. Others, perhaps the majority, will take sexual advantage of the situation. And why not? Sexual use is the easiest way to express dominance or submission, and few men will resist the temptation of a freely offered sexual service. Such men are, I believe, trainable. But there is one more category, those being the men who will see a kneeling girl and feel a sense of rightness about the situation and from that seek to understand it. While they may use the girl in a sexual manner, they will seek a deeper appreciation of the situation. Such men obvious candidates to be taught more of the ways of dominance and submission.

What if no experienced submissive is available? Then, sadly, it will prove much more of a challenge for the undeveloped dominant to learn of his nature. Of course, there are always books (both fictional and non-fictional), and they will help, to a point. But what is really required is a way for the male to express his domination, and that simply can not be done through a book.

Expect, perhaps, the books of Gor. But that will be for another day.

Be seeing you,

18 comments:

Anonymous said...

Anecdotal evidence suggests to me that a man cannot express his dominance without a submissive woman to provoke that response. Hence dominant men may be in a vanilla style relationship. It is only when the opportunity arises, if it ever does, that he can feel free to be the dominant man that he knows himself to be. Once unleashed that dominance seems to take a natural course. It does not necessarily alter their reactions to the rest of their lives, including to their vanilla wives. It can be a real dilemma.

Rob

Anonymous said...

Tal, Rob,
I find your comment confusing. You say that a dominant man can't express his dominance in a vanilla relationship. Are you confusing dominance with kink? I know of plenty of vanilla relationships in which the man is dominant and the woman is submissive. Furthermore, I do hope you don't think that if a man can't express his dominance and/or his kink with his wife then that gives him the right to "unleash" his dominance and/or kink with a submissive who is not his wife and without his wife's knowledge. If so, it might call for me to rush in and rescue the submissive kinky woman from being used as an object to offset the vanilla man's unhappiness with the marriage he is in. I can get a good price for the submissive on the road to Ar and make her happy at the same time by giving her to some brawny lads from Gor who don't care who knows they're working her.
Verna, Queen of the Panther Girls who turned down a kingdom and a hot Ubar in order to be free

Anonymous said...

Dear Anonymous,

I will elaborate. I agree with you that there are countless vanilla marriages where the man is dominant and the woman submissive to him.

In regard to the men I referred to, these are men in vanilla marriages. They care deeply for their wives but over time they have an overwhelming desire to express what they believe to be their true nature. They believe a D/s relationship with their wives is not possible. They feel that their true nature comes to the fore when they meet a woman whose nature is submissive. The men are not overtly dominant, and people in their lives would not regard them as 'dominant' men.

I can only speak what I know. These men do not use submissive women. Rather they fall head over heels with the submissive woman, and that feeling is reciprocated in the submissive woman.

If the relationship becomes known, they tend to want to hold onto their established lives. So too do the submissive women in fact.

I don't know if I am confusing kink with dominance. They regard themselves as naturally dominant men living out vanilla marriages and politically correct lives. I can't say why they made the choices they did, but since these men have reached middle age, I think it took that long for them to be comfortable enough to reveal themselves.

I love discussions about these matters, and if you disagree with me, that's fine by me. I am happy to learn from you if you have better information.

Rob

Anonymous said...

Tal, Rob,

First of all, I signed my comment "Verna". That is my name and I should be addressed as such and not as Anonymous.

An adulterer is an adulterer. I don't care if the person is vanilla, kinky, dominant or submissive. Unless there is an agreement between parties, i.e. the wife, etc. are fully aware of what's going on then you're indulging in hanky panky and that is always at someone else's expense. I am not suggesting that this is what you are doing, but rather I am disagreeing with your opinion of these matters.

From my point of view, there is no discussion here. You are wrong. And any man who thinks he may have his cake and eat it too is wrong. And any submissive who gets so involved with a man whose "wife doesn't satisfy him" is a fool and deserves to be sold at market.

I've seen far too many discussions about how a man must express his dominance and a woman must express her submissiveness and these things are done all in the name of what is "natural". But why is it natural to fornicate and to have no concept of what is right in terms of interpersonal relations? Does saying you need to express your "dominance" make it okay to hurt and deceive others? Nonsense.

Feminism is not the issue here either. Men and women who decry feminism do so by and large because they are afraid to be men and the women are blind to anything but their own self-satisfied condition and will agree with men on this matter. Feminism isn't what's wrong with the relationship between men and women.

Men are what's wrong with men and women. The inequalities between the sexes must be addressed. Tell an impoverished mother whose husband has long disappeared how she is to feed and clothe her children by being submissive and without rights. Tell a mother who has been infected with Aids by her philandering husband and who is now dying of it without anyone in sight to take care of her young children that if she is submissive and true to her natural role that all will be right with the world. Where are the noble men who should protect and help these women? No doubt they're off playing dominant to another man's wife who claims she is submissive.

Those misguided people who think that it is natural for a woman to be submissive in every situation live in a dream cyber land or in the lunacy of a John Norman book. Unless of course you come to where we Panther Grrls live. There you will find sanity and rational thought.

I issue you an invitation, Rob, to visit our forests. We know what to do with men. You may even like it.

I wish you well,
Verna, Queen of the Panther Grrls

Mackenzie Cross said...

Greetings,

Rob: Your point is well taken. However, I would suggest that dominanace and submission are natural states of being. A male can be dominant without a submissive. To be dominant is simply to desire to control ones environment, which may or may not include a submimssive female. Of course, I believe that having a submissive female available allows the dominant male to express different facets and dimensions of his personality, but that does not imply he can not be dominant at all times.

Too, please remember that different men will display different degrees or intensities of dominant traits. Not all dominants are equal in this regard.

Therefore, I would conclude that a man can express his dominance at any time, however if he is living with a female whose submissive traits do not match his own, then he will be challenged to engage in a D/s lifestyle with her. Further, if and when he does find a female who is better suited to him, he may find it difficult to maintain his desire for his vanilla relationship. Not impossible, but certainly difficuly.

Tak Verna: I am more than passingly familiar with the books of Gor, and so I know you well. By and large I agree with most of what you say, people must be held to account for their actions.

One small point though - what makes you think that Rob is a male?

Be seeing you,

Anonymous said...

Greeting Mr.Cross

I acknowledge your points.

Greetings Verna:

I have zero knowledge of Gor, but I agree with you that people must be responsible for their actions, particularly when they have children.

I am a woman in a monogamous long term marriage who would do anything for her children, so I could not agree with you more that people should act responsibly. Where there is an overwhelming need I think it will eventually come to the fore. However there is the potential for honesty with one's partner to provide for successful outcomes. It is not unknown for a wife, for example, to find that she enjoys the submissive lifestyle.

Rob

Anonymous said...

Tal, Mackenzie,

You wrote:
One small point though - what makes you think that Rob is a male?

And I say -- where do I suggest that Rob is a male? I leave it open. I invited Rob to my forest because Rob might enjoy what we do with men there. There are always at least two sides of pleasure. Male or female, I invited Rob to enjoy those pleasures, albeit indirectly.

Men are lovely creatures. Beautiful in fact. There is nothing more beautiful than a man in ropes. Would you care to come and visit with us, Mackenzie? You may not be Marlenus of Ar, but from your photography, I suspect you would do quite nicely.

Tal, Rob,

I salute you as a devoted mother and Free Woman and wish you well in your journey. The invitation to come and join us will always be there.

Verna, Queen of the Panther Grrls

Asobime said...

Greetings to All,

teela has been enjoying the exchange here between anonymous (s)?...she is losing count and Verna.

However, she agrees with a number (actually many, or those she understands) of your comments.

Subfever...is definitely a marker for a new submissive...but does it ever end? teela doesn't think so. It ebbs and flows depending upon stimulus or conditions. It's like a pot of water right under simmer on the back burner. Anything can set it to a higher boil, and then it's a present issue again.

It is this issue of "How does a Dominant know he's dominant" teela finds the most intriguing. Social conditioning yes, suppressed this knowledge, but how does a man get in touch with the issue of 'control'?

So many men have control at work, have crucial positions, are in management...these things that ordain control...and massive amounts. Perhaps when they come home, they abandon the reins of 'control'(responsibility) and just want to sit back, drink a brew and watch tv. They are in a 'non' control...leave me alone mode.

That is usually when the submissive wife comes along, sees this and shakes her head: The timing is, once again....off. He is off...and she is left wondering WHEN this issue of dominance will appear...

LOL!..Now, what happens is after a few brews, the man goes to bed, and then wants sex. That is his way of showing his dominance. By then, the wife is usually 'pissed off' because she has been waiting, maybe attempting some sort of service through dinner, etc...but the timing is OFF. Dominance in the bedroom is just partial dominance. Nice, but begs the overall issue.


>>>This problem seems to break down into two distinct topic areas: 1) Identifying someone’s dominant traits and 2) developing those traits. Of the two, I think the first is rather more of a challenge.<<<

teela is not sure about that. She thinks the development (2) is more the challenge. Books, etc...are limited help. There has to be an internal 'desire' to develop those traits. Men can be sooooo distracted by baseball, football, Nascar, you see the issue? All things of dominance, but they don't see it in themselves. They live vicariously their dominance in sports...well, that's another topic.

Perhaps you could write further on this issue of the rich benefits of control to the dominant.

Then teela will print it out and go plaster it on the forehead of her husband.

And please write more about Gor...

Regards,

teela

Unknown said...

To the girl teela who wrote:

"Perhaps you could write further on this issue of the rich benefits of control to the dominant.

Then teela will print it out and go plaster it on the forehead of her husband."

Yes, but if you paste it to your husband/owner's forehead, then he won't be able to read the list of benefits and will not benefit from Mackenzie's wisdom. However, if your husband wears spectacles, I'd suggest that you tape it to the bridge of the frame. He is sure to notice it when he puts on his spectacles to read the note.

We Panther Grrls are always thinking. It's part of the job. Of course, it's not too hard to keep a few steps ahead of Gorean males. They stop a lot to fight Kurri (not to be confused with a popular East Indian dish) and other Gorean males.

Verna, Queen of the Panther Grrls

Asobime said...

Oh,I LIKE you, Verna!

LOL!! You made me laugh and scatter the cats at 3:30am....LOL!

Yes, Gorean Males seem to be fighting all the time....swinging those broad swords....or having their way with slaves.

Hummmm....not too much variety here.
Amazing that anything ever gets built or fixed around Gor.

And as for the husband, at first I thought I was being mean with my comment, but then thought he would better see the 'benefits of control' thesis if I taped it to the tv. During Nascar. That might work. Or wrapped it around a bottle of beer. That might work, too.

teela...not a panther girl, but it sounds nice.

Pete said...

Greetings,
teela, you know it is not your place to tell any man how he should act. I was quite surprised at the tone of your last two comments.
If you would like your husband to respond to you, approaching him in that manner will only irritate him and push him further away.
I understand it is difficult if your husband is not plugged in, but regardless, you still have a responsibility to maintain proper behavior.
This current language is not acceptable.

Remember your place, girl.

Be well,
Pete

Unknown said...

To the girl teela:

Please accept my apologies for enticing you into some trouble. It was not my intention. I was only having a bit of fun.

I wish you all the best in your search and hope that you find what it is you seek. May all happiness be yours.

Now, I'm outta here. Exit, stage left!

Verna, Queen of the Panther Grrls

Asobime said...

Don't worry, verna. I can hold my own with men. It's based on intelligence, not the genitals.

You did not entice me. I enjoyed your comments, and your intelligence.

And, luckily for me, my husband enjoys my wit. He is not threatened.
He knows his measure and worth with me.

Teela

Anonymous said...

Greetings all,
My, oh my, a girl goes away for a few days and misses all the fun!

I thought that this article is perhaps one of the most insightful and important posts that Mr. Cross has done. I have been rolling these thoughts around in my mind since I first read them.

The differentiation between control based in fear and control inspired by satisfaction is amazing. I have always known that to operate well and authentically in the world one should never be motivated by fear.

Gor seems to be a guiding principle here, but as I have never read the books, I will quote another author.
Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death that brings total annihilation.

If one controls through fear, then nothing good will come of this. This is tyranny. But control as the simple rightness of authority, the obligation of ability and status is a beautiful and profoundly ‘right’ thing.

Many of the comments seem to focus on a mismatch between two people in a marriage. This is a very sad thing. But I must bring a few things to mind. Everyone is Dominant and submissive to a certain extent to various different people. We speak of these traits as if they are characteristics of the person, but what if they are more a characteristic of the relationship?

As they say, there is always a bigger fish. Everyone is dominant to some, submissive to others, and still neutral to others. Perhaps what we are talking about is more than simply a process of self knowledge, but more a skill in manipulating the relationships that we participate in.

Some relationships just fit, easily, naturally. The energy flows as they should to the immense satisfaction of both parties. Other relationships need some work. I know it is possible to awaken a man to his natural dominance. But it’s not easy. As Mr. Cross points out, a Dominant does not take instruction easily, and he will not be pushed. His response will be much more like the donkey refusing to move. But then again, he most probably will allow himself to be served. And then grow accustomed to the service, and then eventually be receptive to taking on the responsibility that is the price of the service.

A very interesting thread, Mr. Cross. My thanks for this post.

Blessings on you all,

felicia

sienna said...

Greetings and good afternoon,

On the topic of serving this one would like to add that it benefits the girl as well. It is a way to focus the mind,and remember ones place.To this ones way of thinking it can be easy to slip into a mindset where one thinks about what can be done for her rather than what she can do for for the man.This one thinks that all men want to be pleased,and it is the nature of a girl to be pleasing.

warm regards and respects
sienna

Anonymous said...

oh oh ... why so complicated when it's all so easy?

A natural dominant, who has not yet met/ been with at submissive (not a play-submissive, but from her heart), will react deeply on such a meeting.

IMH experience ;o) ...I've had the pleasure of this a few times. Men who knew not to the core, how strong their dominance/ need for dominance is. And who did not live it. Hark: their heart open - maybe for the first time, see their dominance full-blown ;o), deep satisfiying 'joy' from brain, heart and body... *s*

Need I say, it is very very beautiful to vitness?

And that he will never be the same again ;o)

Now: he may choose a non-explicit-submissive as life-partner, but!! He will always have that little "itch" in his heart, longing for that fullfilment of who he is...
(maybe why some men (and women!) turn to adultry???)

Let us be who we are, realistic of everyday demands, and still respecting what we are. To me that makes every-day life harmonic. With a partner or without. Being what and who we are.

respectfully,
nekokodeli

Mackenzie Cross said...

Greetings nekokodeli,

Well said. I agree with you completely. More, I think that what you speak of is a valuable service that the well developed suibmissive can perform for the male who is still not fully aware of his own nature. She understands, and more, she can help him on the path to be himself.

Yet, how many girls are so well developed that they can take up this role? She must not only be aware of her own nature, not only trained in the ways of being pleasing, but she must also have the deft and subtle touch required to be a guide, and yet be submissive at the same time. Not an easy task.

But I can see you are up to the challenge. What a wonderful sense of accomplishment you must feel at being able to accomplish such a thing.

My thanks for your post.

Be seeing you,

MC

Unknown said...

Well said

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